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Okay, two things. First, MacDaddy, you did not specifically say whether or not Jeremy was on your Sunday team sheet. Was he?
If he was not, then I apologize for jumping the gun. But, the fact you stated he went 1-1-1 but actually rolled the 2nd and 3rd motos (which I am not baggin on him about), you gave me the impression he was on your team sheet.
That said, here is the official statement from our state clerk as it appears on NJBMX.org:
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:34 pm
They are scored as they cross the line for team sheets.
As Greg Hill would say – time to get your “train” on!
Anthony – the number one rule on our team is fun. But keep in mind, it is a competition. I am glad we have had 10+ teams enter sheets so far, and hope they continue to do so. Still, the top teams want to win. Did I expect to be a top team? Honestly, I was not thinking about it. But we have placed well to date, so now we are in it to win it! 😀
Still, to keep it fun, you have to make sure we are all on the same page and scoring our sheets the same way.
NJBMX STATE TEAM SERIES
2007 SEASON
(updated 3/27/07)NJBMX sponsors a State Team series at the NJBMX State Qualifiers and the State Championship. Anyone may form a team and enter to compete as a team at the state races. Teams are encouraged to have matching jerseys, as this helps promote team spirit. Total awards for the year amount to over 150% of the entry fees received. The more teams we have, the better the competition and fun! If you have any questions, please contact Nancy Haugh at 609-268-7279, or email at nancy@njbmx.org.
Creating, registering and updating a NJBMX state team:
1. Any licensed NBL rider who plans to race the NJBMX State Series may be part of a state team. If you have a team that includes riders from other states, this does not mean they cannot be on your team, however, if they do not plan to ride in the NJ State Series, do not include their name on the roster you turn in to NJBMX.
2. A team roster must be turned in to Nancy Haugh at the first state qualifier in which the team enters the team competition. Commitment forms must be turned in for each rider as well. The signed commitment form must be turned in before that rider can be used on a team sheet. If a rider is under 18 years old, a parent must also sign the commitment form.
3. Riders who are not already on a current season’s state team roster are eligible to be added to a team seven (7) days prior to the race in which he/she will be competing (excluding the first race where the initial roster is turned in).
4. When a rider leaves a team, the team manager and/or the rider must notify Nancy Haugh, in writing (either paper note or by email), of the change in the roster. This rider is ineligible to ride for another team for two (2) State Qualifier races after the notification is received. A rider cannot be added to a new team roster without notification from the previous team manager that the rider is no longer a member of that team.
5. If a rider is re-classified (for example, moves down from expert to novice), that rider cannot be used on any team sheet in any class until he or she returns to their original proficiency.
6. Each team member should be dressed in a team jersey, if possible.
7. All team rosters will be frozen as of August 1, 2007.Rules for Entering a Team Sheet at Races:
1. Team managers may enter up to two teams per race. Only the best of the two scores will be counted.
2. All team sheets must be signed by the team manager or his/her designated representative. All team sheets must be turned in to an NJBMX State Team representative, with the $15 entry fee, prior to the start of the race. Sheets turned in after the 1st gate drops will not be accepted.
3. The best scored team sheet must be turned in to a NJBMX State Team representative within 15 minutes of the completion of the race or it will not be counted for that day’s competition.
4. Each team sheet shall consist of a maximum of 4 riders. If there is at least one girl on your team sheet, you may enter 5 riders on the team sheet. The four (4) highest rider’s scores will count towards the team score.
5. Only registered riders who are at the event may be used on team sheets.
6. A rider may not be used twice on the same team sheet, even in two different classes.
7. A rider may not be used in the same class on two different team sheets.
8. The following maximum number of riders per class may be included on any given team sheet:
a. Four (4) Pros, Experts or Novices
b. One (1) Rookie
c. One (1) Open
d. Two (2) Girls and Cruisers, combined
9. In the event that a race is cancelled due to rain/weather, any team entry fees that were submitted will be refunded.Scoring a Team Sheet:
1. Each rider on a team sheet receives points for the 3 motos they race as follows. Note that 7th and 8th place only applies to pro/opens with 8 riders to a gate.
a. 1st place = 50 points
b. 2nd place = 45 points
c. 3rd place = 40 points
d. 4th place = 35 points
e. 5th place = 30 points
f. 6th place = 25 points
g. 7th place = 20 points
h. 8th place = 15 points
2. In the event that a race is shortened to the two (2) moto system due to weather, the 3rd moto finish should be entered on the team sheet as the best finish from the first two motos.
3. The total scores for the best 4 riders are added together, and this is the team score.
4. There are no points for mains, since not every rider will have a main.
5. In the event of a tie in total team scores, the tie will be broken in the following order:
a. Most number of 1st place finishes.
b. Most number of 2nd through 6th place finishes.
c. Most number of riders by classification in the following order from highest to lowest:
i. Pros
ii. Experts
iii. Girls
iv. Cruisers
v. Novices
vi. Rookies
vii. Open
d. Most number of riders by classification as in (c) above, by age, with oldest riders ranking higher than younger riders.
6. Team sheets that are turned in will be verified against scoring sheets at the completion of the race.Awards for the Race Day:
1. All teams that enter a valid team sheet are eligible for awards of the day. Awards will be given to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place teams for each race day. The awards shall total 100% of the entry fees for that race. This includes the State Championship race.
2. Unless there are unusual circumstances, the top 3 teams from the race will be asked to ride in the parade lap for the next State Qualifier race.Awards for the State Series:
1. There are 8 State Qualifiers. For each team, the best five (5) team scores from the state qualifiers, along with the State Championship team score will be counted towards the year end total team score.
2. Ties in total season team scores will be broken by how the teams placed at the State Championship.
3. Any team that enters at least one State Qualifer, and the State Championship, will be eligible for year end awards.
4. Year end awards will consist of a 50% payback of the total entry fees for the season, plus trophies for all eligible teams.
5. The season standings will be updated after each qualifier and posted on the NJBMX website.Okay – I have a new question for Mac Daddy:
According to Glenn, Jeremy ONLY races cruiser. You say he was on your sheet and 1-1-1 on Sunday. How can you say that when he coasted the 2nd and 3rd motos. I was informed Team Sheets are scored by how they cross the line, not by how they finish “in class”.
If you put him down for 1-1-1 on Sunday, and they allowed that, I need to have my sheets recalculated, since that would mean Eric Matos might be 1-1-1 instead of 2-2-1 if it was the 7 expert that beat him the first two motos (I’m not sure)
I know I have now gone off topic, but we have now possibly discovered another rules error. And, I am not blaming MacDaddy because the written rules do not clearly state which is the right way to score the sheets. But like I said, I was told its “as they cross the line”.
But, Mac – if you did score Jeremy 1-1-1 in cruiser for Sunday and that is the right way, then we tied, and would lose on the “expert” tie breaker, but we might at least get 10 extra points.
If I am right, and its by how they cross, and Jeremey was on your winning sheet, then we won Sunday. I have to check with the state now and have them look into it.
Not trying to start trouble, but we all have to play by the same rules.
What’s the word? Thunderbird!
Lets go get some champipple. What’s that? You mix 7-up and ripple! (thank you Red Foxx)
Ant – you need to move up to the good stuff. I am not saying I am a beer expert, but RR & PBR are not beer, just dirty water in my opinion, lol (j/k).
Seriously, Bass & Guiness together as a Black & Tan is where it’s at. Also, there was a bar near me years ago that had a beers around the world club. About 100 different beers. I never completed the menu, but it sure was fun trying. You got free beer along the way while trying to get through the whole menu (over time, of course).
Ya know, part two was weird, but I know they made #2 & #3 mostly at the same time, so it’s almost like one movie. I feel #3 should be good.
Johnny Depp was asked would he do another, and he said yes as long as it was a good story, not just to make another.
I am very jealous you have a drive-in. It’s good to see they’re back. I would LOVE to see Pirates at a drive-in. It truly is a “big screen” movie. I won’t watch #1 or #2 on my 27″ upstairs, only on the big screen in the basement.
And I’ll comment on my last post regarding age.
Rich is 44yrs old. He is one year older than my oldest brother. If you stood them side-by-side, you would say my brother was at least 5, maybe 10yrs older than Rich.
Now, I know genetics plays a part in it, but I also know riding a bike plays a big part as well. BMX will keep you young!
BTW: Congrats on graduating Loudogg! 8)
No one was riding VBars in 1987, and I know Rich is older than me.
I would say that is 1980 Rich.
@Macdaddy wrote:
Sorry for that, it must have been something I ate. I didn’t even ask Brett which rule is stupid. Is it that they won’t combine motos, or that ams need to race class to race open. By the way craig, we had Jeremy in his class on the moto sheet on Sat and he went 1-1-1 he also went 1-1-1 on sun in class. If these 2 riders did the same thing and went 1-1-1 and 2-2-2 there wouldn’t be a problem. there really isn’t a comparason there. sorry
Mac – I stand corrected. I saw him ride his cruiser in the ProAm and he was in cruiser with Chris Whiley, so that’s when I paid attention. I was not aware he ALSO rode class that day. Wow. Good for him. Still, I was not bagging on him, just stating what I saw.
I am very much in agreement with you, believe it or not. As per my original post, I said “there is probably no easy solution to this”.
If we try to fix one part, we hurt another, and vice versa. If we want to guarantee that Dave (s4lnj) gets combined to a class where he gets to race for his finishes, then the only solution is to take away the “must race class” rule for ProAms. These two guys are experts, so its not like they are rolling so they don’t get move up points. If they choose to roll out of the gate, you can’t stop them, and you can’t dq them. That was there choice. If they are really there to race the money class, which is where Brett is right, its mostly for the competition. I was going to race the money class last weekend until I realized how much rust I had on me. But, lets be honest, I am not in Farside’s league yet, so my chances of making the main were slim. And I am not racing for the money, I am racing faster riders to get faster.
That’s my 3 cents on the subject.
Jeremy did back off in moto #2 & #3 in cruiser on Sunday. He rolled the track after the 1st turn.
I understand Dave’s intent, and support it fully, but it does set a weird precedent. If he is allowed to move out of his moto, where technically he had 3 riders, then others may ask to jump around.
The issue lies in the two that did not show up. Every moto that they do not touch the gate for class is an auto dq for the pro-am. Even if they did touch the gate, Dave still might have gotten a free pass.
There may not be an easy solution to this. Maybe the solution is to not demand that you must race class in order to race the open. It won’t hurt the moto count that much, at least not right now. It just might hurt the rolling ATM.
Tim, I worry about you. 🙄
uh, link to that thread, please? 🙄
Too bad the XC race was this past weekend, that would have been cool to be there for it.
But here is another vid just for laughs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuzs1ipnOmg&NR=1
Doh! 😈