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Dealing with Les is rough. Their pa system is dying and he needs to go BUY some new stuff instead of picking stuff out of the trash from the casinos. He has a real aversion to shelling out money to do things the right way. And I’ll imagine that’s what Rich is finding trying to get the track work done.
I’m not done yet.
Does not understand why promotion is the most important tool you have.
I couldn’t believe that Fillidork guy fighting any attempts at promotion that Brett brought up at the last meeting. Let’s not promote it, we just might attract people. I think his feeling is the smaller we are, the better. And if BMX just shrinks and dies well that’s okay too. BMX: 1970 – 2007. It was fun while it lasted.
With BMX being in the olympics now is the time more than ever to sieze the moment and reach those people who will be hearing about it for the first time.
Calls itself a volunteer organization but yet pays some people.
The more I think about this the more furious I get. I have given so much time to this “volun-fuking-teer organization” without getting paid. A lot of people have. I’ve done a boat load of sweeping over the years. I’ve helped during springtime track rebuilds at Flemington and Mullica. I have announced at Flemington, a lot at Mullica and a lot at Egg Harbor. I bought a cruiser this year because I wanted to race two bikes at local races to build up endurance but then Egg Harbor had their problems with Victor so they NEEDED me to announce this whole year. I couldn’t race two bikes like I wanted to. So I was giving up something I wanted to do to help out. Hell, there were times I didn’t feel like going at all but I did because I knew they needed me and I decided I was going to help Egg Harbor this year.
I haven’t gotten paid. I don’t want to get paid. NOBODY should get paid. If you pay one person then perhaps other people should get paid. What about the real suckers? The corner marshals that stand on top of a turn all day long on a 95 degree day. If anybody gets paid, they should.
Either everybody gets paid or nobody does. Of course it should be nobody. What are we in this for? If I want to make money running a BMX race, I’ll buy my own land and build an ABA track on it and run it for profit. Making money any other way is UNETHICAL.
The whole kicker of the thing is I won’t be around for the Jan 20th meeting. I am very upset about that because I wanted to rip them a new one for paying themselves and I wanted to rip jim fillidork a new one as well. However I will be at our meeting on Sunday and I will have a final recomendation for pa system (that will NOT be argued or second guessed anymore) with price.
Man, this is fun. Why can’t I have somebody to fight with?
I see that as kind of a bad thing. She doesn’t like Bill and Bill ticked her off. She’s obviously offended and is saying “I won’t have anything to do with that site anymore” When this happened at the last meeting they LASHED OUT. They defended their way of doing things TO THE HILT. Prepare for the same kind of thing this time.
OK you’re Mike Mclaughlin. I didn’t know. But it’s still nonsense.
And Debbie he doesn’t have his facts straight. He has conjecture. That’s not facts.
People from NJ would go to Blue Diamond? Would they? That’s conjecture and remains to be proven. Well I’ll conjecture they wouldn’t. NJ riders wouldn’t get points towards the NJ state series or the high point awards from those tracks so without that incentive they’d be less inclined to do it. Blue Diamond draws from First State and First State draws from Blue Diamond. Split the state in half and you’ll hurt it. Blue Diamond would get less people from Jersey than they would lose from First State.
You’re looking at this from a Jersey-centric view. The truth is Delaware is ABA and Eastern PA is mostly ABA. If you look at it that way, turning NBL doesn’t make sense at all.
Yes what is needed is one sanction and other countries think it’s ridiculous that we have two but that’s the way it turned out in this country and there’s WAY too much pride on both sides to merge or give in. They’ll fight till they die.
I made a statement without backing it up because I’ve been racing for twenty years and quite frankly I know what I’m talking about. As an announcer I see the towns that the people are from on the moto sheets so I know where racers are coming from. I also get tired of this kind of talk because nobody on this site can make a track change sanctions so it’s all you-know-what anyway.
He continues:
20″ bikes only.
Also realize if the older experts all jump on the bandwagon and sign up, this will ruin the older expert classes at the qualifiers. You know when they have to race class and open they concentrate on open and either skip class or just ride around the track in their class motos. I don’t think this is a huge deal since the older experts haven’t cared about the state series since 94 anyway.
How much should go towards a year end award? Probably a good bit. That would make people interested in racing the WHOLE series.
How many finishes should be required for a plate at the end of the year? How many finishes will count? Don’t know. Depends if Pottstown joins the union. Without Pottstown there are six qualifiers and the championship. Adding Pottstown would make eight qualifiers. Perhaps best four finishes plus the championship if there are six qualifiers and best six (maybe five) plus the championship if there are eight qualifiers. If we’re gonna go to all the trouble of doing this and do this right, you want participation. If the year end awards are good, and a lot of finishes count, people will race the whole series.
they would have had a better chance for higher rider count if they both switched to NBL
Complete nonsense, whoever you are.
This will be long. (That’s what she said. Heh, heh)
The RIGHT way to do this would be to make it a pro only series. However with only seven pros in NJ and Philly that I can think of, it would be spotty. This ain’t motocross so unfortunately we couldn’t count on guys to commit to it and show up every time. It’s BMX and even these pros do it for fun and not a living so getting them to commit probably wouldn’t happen.
The NBL has always blurred the lines between pro and am so ams can race open and make money. It would be cool to make it a pro only event and elevate pro the way it SHOULD be but that won’t happen. At least not this year. There are plenty of good ams so they should be allowed.
It should be a series for pros and 16 & over experts.
It should be held in conjunction with the state qualifiers for several reasons:
The state qualifiers don’t conflict with the NBL national schedule. I don’t care about that but everyone else would. So the pros and older experts wouldn’t have any excuse NOT to be there.
Being held at the state qualifiers would give it max exposure. State qualifiers were 35 motos whereas locals were in the teens last year.
Also, if a PA system is bought then it would be at the state qualifiers which you would want for a pro-am series.It should be first in the moto order just like an ABA national. People know what is up first. All is quiet then the music starts. The riders are announced and by that time everyone is watching. Registration will have to be intelligent and move the older expert motos to the middle of the order so as not to conflict.
8 man gates.
The open main should be first. Unfortunately I’m thinking only one main instead of three. With so few mains at state qualifiers, open would pretty much be running three times in a row which is a ball up for the spectators to wait for and the quality of racing is diminshed. Also the ams that whine because they want to be included will whine when they have to race their class motos, open motos and then three open mains.
Since Brett rocked the Casbah this year and covered the state qualifiers and creating articles on them this gives a cool photo op. Right after the main, have pro podium right on the starting gate. (I still love the fact that these people absolutely BLASTED Brett at the September meeting for everything that was happening on Brokenspokes but njbmx.org was NEVER updated and such a joke that Brokenspokes essentially became the new njbmx.org. Even better was when they all denied looking at the site but you knew they were)
I’m thinking payout to top four. If twelve people pay $20 that’s $240 in the pot. Without significant sponsorship to add money to the pot, splitting it more than that makes the payout kind of petty. I suppose we could make it more complex than that like payout to top four with 10 signups, payout to top six with 15 signups, etc. That’s a difficult thing to architect now because it would depend on how much participation we get and how much money would be added to the pot. Basically I’m imagining the turnout wouldn’t be huge so pay only a few people to make the payout something substantial.
I’m tired. More later
Well you’re kinda right. Not to worry about the Pro Series. I see Dave Pawlowski wants to step up and architect that but I’ll have plenty of input. In fact why don’t I start that right now.
Friday night podium in A pro. Recognize anybody?
and trust me I saw one where he went nuts!!!
OK you have to tell that story. What happened? Did his hat fall of and the sun hit his skin?
I’m in.
Dressed like Indiana Jones EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY guy. Wait till he moves to remove all jumps from NJ tracks in order to make them “safer”. Then when everyone in NJ sucks from lack of skill, you’ll go to the President’s Cup and get beaten by North Dakota!
Stumpy beat Bubba at the Grands?!?!? That’s huge. But so is Bubba getting it three years in a row. Can he do a Lance Armstrong and go for seven? Not. But that’s huge. Go Carnes, you didn’t let me down. I wonder what kind of hissy fit Parry will throw on the web this year? Did you read any of his rant last year?
All hail King Bubba.