I gotta be honest. It is a damn shame that flatland has come to this. Those frames are fugly. Yeah it may be functiona,but damn. Personally i think A TRUE FLATLANDER can get on any bike. (an 87 haro master hutch trickstar OR a new kgb or sickchild or quamen) and bust out. Nuff said. I was never good at flat. But i have an idea of what it takes .